Need new motors? break a chain? brakes not work? swapping out pinions or sprockets?

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By zen_racer
#28485
using a Unite motor as an example:

if the throtlle is OFF and the motor sprocket keeps turning, is the motor functioning as a generator?


By robnewyork
#28486
simple test to find out how much , take the sprocket off a motor, hook ur drill to the shaft and the voltmeter to the leads.. yes it should be making some juice
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By zen_racer
#28487
thanks rob, i see these motors on ebay advertised for wind turbines but wanted to make sure.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WindZilla-12V-2 ... 2493337540

reason i bring this up, my rhino scoot is set up with 48v yiyun + 48v 1000w MY1020 + 48v SLA. after a few hard runs i notice the controller getting warm, i think excessively warm.

the scoot doesnt have a freewheel clutch and the yiyun doesnt do regen. i'm guessing that extra juice being created on a long downhill with no throttle is causing the controller to heat up?
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By zen_racer
#28489
noahmercier wrote:Why dont you get a freewheel for it?
the stock rim isnt threaded for a freewheel clutch, so this is what i'm looking at:

new threaded rim, $28
freewheel clutch, $15
new sprocket w 4 bolt pattern to match clutch, $15
brake rotor adapter, $9
disc brake, $15

so about $95 total incl shipping just to get freewheel. or i could flip the scoot for $200 and let someone else deal with it.

keep in mind i bought the scooter for $100...
By codeman
#28490
Yes any brushed permanent magnet DC motor will work in reverse as a generator. It works just as well both ways. If you have a 500W motor then you can generate 500W with it. You can actually make a really good brake by hooking the motor terminals together thus shorting the generator. In practical use you would want to use a high power resistor. Not sure how much current you are running but you could use a relay to make a push button disconnect. When you push the button it opens one of the wires to the motor. You might also be able to put a diode inline with the motor to block the reverse current. It would need to be a seriously beefy diode though.
By codeman
#28518
Sorry I have been busy and not online. That diode will survive as long as you can heat sink it. Looking at the design it is designed to be screwed into a panel or something metal that will heat sink it. I searched for a data sheet on it and found nothing. If it is a regular common diode then the voltage drop is 0.6V to 0.7V. So at 30A you are dissipating 21W. It will be red hot without a major heatsink. If it is a schottkey diode then the voltage drop is half of that.
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By zen_racer
#28526
would it help manage the heat by going up to a diode rated for higher amps? let me know too if there's another type of diode more suitable for this application.

also, could a diode be used to route undesired current to a component needing power, such as a fan?
By codeman
#28529
A schottkey diode is about the lowest voltage drop diode around. The better way to do it would be to use a FET but that would require a control circuit. Yes you could tie a fan in parallel with the motor and when coasting either with or without the diode it generated voltage would run the fan. Keep in mind that when coasting with the motor terminals open, no current is flowing through the motor. Voltage is being generated but the circuit is open. As soon as you have anything that loads the generator current will flow and the power generated will be taken from the kinetic energy of the scooter moving. In other words when you load the motor being used as a generator it will be harder to turn and you will slow down. Also the type of fan will be important because if it is tied in parallel with the motor then it will experience a wide variety of voltage to operate on.
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